B. Jones: You Wouldn't Like Me When I'm Angry
Check this shit out.
"Oh, but they say they're gonna keep the team in Seattle."
Uh, yeah, fuck off.
"I don't like basketball, I haven't cared in years."
Fuck off.
"Seattle would be better off if the team moved."
Fuck off.
"Howard Schulz is a smart business man, look at what he has done for Starbucks, monamonablahblah."
Fuck off, and Howard Schulz gets punched where he fucks for the next five years. Wally Walker, your days are numbered.
I'll try to write about this a bit more sensibly, and for an indifferent readership, at a later date. Five bucks says I'll spend some time ranting about Seattle's apathy.
posted by the beige one @ 4:06 PM
24 comments
24 Comments:
Welcome back, Beigey! Nice to hear your anger again! Huzzah!
I'm glad to see TBO hasn't expired somewhere in the ethers of the blogosphere. I was about to note that you'd almost beat the Krause House for longest stretch without a post . . . so I'm happy even to see a sports post, which is an impressive achievement on your part.
Oh, and I don't care. I'll be fucking off presently.
When I made my first post, I got a message saying the blogger server was down; when I came back, my post hadn't appeared. Then I made a second post, and both came up when I submitted it. After a brief critical analysis of both posts, I decided the former was more amusing (though the second was more succinct).
Confused yet? Good.
Actually, listening to KJR, I've been please to hear a distinct lack of apathy from the majority of the fans, which is what I was expecting...but those are sports fans.
It's the average citizen's apathy that will probably grate on my nerves. Mr. and Mrs. White, you've been warned. I won't broach the topic as long as you don't.
The average citizen is apathetic about a lot of things. I understand there are Seattleites who aren't bothered that Cobra High broke up; that particular apathy might grate on my nerves, but if someone doesn't care about keyboard-driven, prog-meets-new-wave post-punk, I can't very well make them. I'm incensed by the cutting of subsidies for the film office, but it's hard to convince someone who doesn't care about cinema that it's a necessity, that they should care about it. I submit that the same goes for people who can't bring themselves to get overly worked up about a group of grown men getting paid to play with their balls.
whoah whoah, that wasn't a call to arms, bub. I'm simply saying don't start with the shit giving (as you two had done, briefly, a couple of times in the past after impassioned sports entries), 'cuz I won't have the patience for it.
As to your point: No shit, and I mean that bemusedly.
Tangentially: Maybe it's pent up aggression from years and years of dealing with the more abusive assholes of the sports liking world, but after high school, I have not faced as much derision and contempt from people as that given by those in the arts community when I've admitted to liking sports.
Odd that.
Odder still: That a post that more substantive in nature is entered after this one and no one has commented on it.
Derision and contempt is definitely cultivated more actively amongst artist types; I think it's because of the sort of abusive attitudes you mention. Sports fans never had to cultivate contempt in their youth because they were the "upper" class, whereas contempt became a necessary defense mechanism for the bohemians.
If you think being a sports fan is tough, try being an apologist for boxing (or any of its mutant variations), UFC, that sort of thing. While at least some percentage of artistic folk follow football, baseball, basketball, most tow the nanny-liberal line about combat sports--the only ones in which I personally see any poetry--being barbaric.
As to your more "substantial" post, I guess I just had less to say on that matter. I'll give it a go in a bit, though.
The fact, like it or not, is that I tend to respond to the posts in which I see the ME. Since I'm not a minority per se, and am neither a fan nor a detractor of what Brown Derby does (I could be a detractor, but not on any terms that I'd want in the public record), I didn't necessarily feel qualified (or interested). I just don't see any ME there . . .
Contempt: All well and good, but at what point does the expiration date on contempt created in high school come into effect? I was not one of the assholes, I was not a jerk, and nearly 20 years after graduating I'm still getting flak for liking sports.
Sports/Boxing Fan Apologia: I don't think of myself as an apologist, nor do I want to start behaving as one. Why should I?
I think I am, and have been, pretty honest about the how and why of my sports fandom...Which includes the various permuations of pugilistic impulses. (What is with all this alliteration lately?)
Other entry: That comment wasn't aimed at you, specifically, but I do wonder where you "saw the ME" in this entry...beyond the recognition and shit giving in reply to my first entry in over a month, everything after that first paragraph is about my liking sports and this team in particular...OR AT LEAST, that's the impression given.
Substance: Some possible ideas: Knee-jerk reactions based on incomplete information. Problems with censorship. Examples of reverse racism. Politics of hip hop. Politics of satire. The bladda in the yadda.
the foolishness of youth up in arms...
Contempt: All well and good, but at what point does the expiration date on contempt created in high school come into effect? I was not one of the assholes, I was not a jerk, and nearly 20 years after graduating I'm still getting flak for liking sports.
I wasn't defending the contempt, only explaining it. I'm sorry you get so much "flak". I wonder how seriously the flak is intended, and how seriously you take it. For my part, I've never given you any real flak that I can recall, and I can assure you that if I did it was in jest (for instance; I'm not indicating or assuming that you're talking about me). I may get bored when you talk sports, but 'Stine gets bored when I talk about the side projects featuring members of Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. To each his own, eh?
Sports/Boxing Fan Apologia: I don't think of myself as an apologist, nor do I want to start behaving as one. Why should I?
"Apologetics" are different from "apologetic"; it usually refers to Christians engaged in proving the rationality and positive influence of their faith, but can refer, broadly speaking, to philosophical advocacy of any kind for any position.
I do wonder where you "saw the ME" in this entry...
I think it was the comment about the "average citizen's apathy", being as I'm an apathetic citizen. :^)
. . . beyond the recognition and shit giving in reply to my first entry in over a month . . .
Yeah, that too (especially?).
You're welcome to look at my response on the other post. I didn't get into all aspects you mentioned because, well, I have to work and all, and we'd be here 'til NEXT Wednesday if I really had my say on the nature of satire. My feelings on censorship are very short: there should be NO censorship. Ever. Offend everyone; take no one at face value. And R. Kelly sucks, IMO. Done.
Not that I disagree, but how much R. Kelly have you actually listened to? I'm curious to know...
I wonder how seriously the flak is intended, and how seriously you take it.
on an individual basis, probably not that serious...but taken on a cumulative viewpoint, one starts to wonder.
...but really I blame the shitty product Wally puts on the floor more than anything for the apathy.
oh, definitely no argument from me.
Yeah, I was in sports, but faggy ones like track (after dropping wrestling after three years as a sophomore) so there was no assholic-enabling there. And I get honest-to-goodness flak for my sports fandom. Often, it takes the form of someone telling me they are absoLUTEly apathethic about sports, y'know, in that way that people tell you they don't own a television, where you can hear "Oh, how very drolllll" in their undertones.
By my favorite of the agressive variety was "Football? You're too smart to be a fan of football."
Whatever, I like it and care and find it interesting as a point of study/thought (because OF COURSE it is ludicrous to a degree its SPORTS!), but would only ask that others understand the third point and I'll leave them alone on the first two.
And me, I dig the boxing, too. UFC not so much but only because I'm a huge pussy. Totally.
'Cept I'd kick TBO's ass. Totally.
Best point I heard today is the Sonics leaving would make us hot and prime for an NHL team. Fuck yeah, I say.
Ok, hold everyone's damn horses for a second...
So, since I am not interested in sports, there is automatically a direct assumption that I am apathetic towards them? I disagree wholeheartedly.
And FYI, I AM interested in some sports, at some times, when in some moods, and for different reasons. The "flak" I have given, is pure jest (even if very pointed jest). I'll leave it up to you to interpret at will. Methinks you need to stop taking things so seriously.
I have not faced as much derision and contempt from people as that given by those in the arts community when I've admitted to liking sports.
- if you consider me one of those who have given you such "derision" and "contempt", see the above paragraph. I start to wonder if this sports fragility, on both ends of the testosterone spectrum(you AND Lyam alike), is a boy thing. But who knows, maybe I'm being "racist". :)
As for R. Kelly, I have about as much interest in him as I do in Lyam's beloved, These Arms Are Snakes, or the aforementioned Sleeping Time Monkey Museum.
PS JJ - I LOVE faggy sports. Volleyball RULZ! And you can't get much better than ladies ice hockey. Well maybe that's not so faggy.
And for the record, I think boxing is the devil. And yet, I will watch my chop sockey flicks (thank you Ly) until the cows come home. Welcome to dichotomy.
OK, here I go putting my publicly proclaimed heterosexuality on the line...
Not only do I totally agree about volleyball, be it men or women, beach or 6-on-6, I'm also a big fan of women's gymnastics. Not in a pedophile way, either, but just because I think it is beautiful and tragic.
Men's not so much. Just seems like buff dudes showing off, and less performance. I won't talk shit on those guys.
I'm thinking that for the purposes of the discussion, TBO is toowkin' professional team sports in particular, or the kind of broad sports interest that allows one to say "I'm a sports fans" without saying which kind. There are plenty of artsy folk that will watch the Olympics, or like tennis, or the like, but who turn their noses up at the NBA, NFL and MLB.
It's the big money sports. There is plenty to hate among pro big money sports, and you have to forgive more to enjoy the narratives spun. That is what the derisers derise derisvely.
Not that I disagree, but how much R. Kelly have you actually listened to? I'm curious to know...
Not a lot. The early hits, mostly. I haven't heard all that much Britney Spears, either, but I've heard enough to know what I think of the music. Of course I grant that either artist could change my mind with an interesting change of direction; if anyone ever pays me to listen to the albums start to finish, I guess we'll have ample opportunity to find out.
Oooh, brings to mind an interesting proposition. Each of us HAS to write a five C review on an item of the other two's choosing.
Ly with 500 words on the new Xtina album would be wicked interesting, as might TBO on Left Behind. I'm gonna see the sneak preview of WTC tonight, and I HATE Stone, so maybe that is a possibility.
'Cept I'd kick TBO's ass. Totally.
I keep telling you that I'm ready to go any time you are, buddy boy.
So, since I am not interested in sports, there is automatically a direct assumption that I am apathetic towards them?
Not what I said at all, please to follow me: Again, I mentioned you and Ly by name because y'all have teased me in the past about sports, and I didn't wanna hear it about this particular issue, that's simply it. Beyond that, there is no other point anywhere in this blog and comments where I was talking about anyone specifically.
Methinks you need to stop taking things so seriously.
As written elsewhere, once again, it's in the cumulative that the condescencion and contempt become undeniable, though, like JJ, I've seen and felt some very real bullshit in the past. Methinks you need to take my word that this crap happens and exists.
if you consider me one of those who have given you such "derision" and "contempt", see the above paragraph.
see the section about specificity.
There is plenty to hate among pro big money sports, and you have to forgive more to enjoy the narratives spun. That is what the derisers derise derisively.
Yup, and yes, there is plenty to hate about pro big money sports, not least of which are the big jerks that seemingly get all the attention, and the amounts they're being paid. What's overlooked, more often than not, and part of what makes it easier to forgive PBMS, are the good men and women who are sincerely talented and earnestly approach the game.
When the team functions as automatically as a driver pulling over to the side for an oncoming ambulance; when the group-think is about lifting all the teammates up past certain obstacles, instead of individual glory; things along these lines is what makes the narratives worthwhile.
How many narratives have the Sonics, the teams, supplied over the years?
What makes me upset here, is that the Sonics, the businessmen, seem to have done their utmost to remove this source from people who have come to identify with it. It's frustrating and maddening.
I keep telling you that I'm ready to go any time you are, buddy boy.
Look at you gettin' all testosterone fluffy!
'Course I'm egging you, but if you recall, that long ago eve this first came up, my point was that we were kind of eqivalent, the worst kind of guy to throw down with because it's always a long bloody draw.
And now you all brutish man with your "anytime, bitch" and sich. Get's me a tremblin' and glistenin'.
If someone can provide me an Xtina album free of charge, I'll write your review. If I ever again have music purchasing money, there are far more prizable acquisitions--about 200-300 more prizable acquisitions, at least--to which I must attend.
I'd kick BOTH your asses.
Man, you'd fucking better...how long have you been doing the martial arts now?
Besides, I think you're discounting my infamous "Ly, did you put on a couple of pounds?" distraction strategy. All I need is enough time to--BOOOM! yeah, you felt that didn't you?
Besides, I think you're discounting my infamous "Ly, did you put on a couple of pounds?" distraction strategy. All I need is enough time to--BOOOM! yeah, you felt that didn't you?
Yeah, well, that's why there aren't a lot of metrosexual thugs.
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